Boysen Hodgson interviews Daniel Ellenberg, PhD, the past President of the American Psychological Association’s Division for the Psychological Study of Men and Masculinities. 

In this conversation, we’re talking about Angels and Traitors … and a whole lot more. Angels and Traitors are archetypal frames to understand who you are and how you react … coping mechanisms for dealing with hard circumstances. 

This episode is for you if you’re out here trying to change the world! 

I bet you are – and you’re looking for more tools for adaptability and resilience in a difficult time. 

This episode is for you if you’re striving to understand the ‘System’ that is YOU in the world – and trying to have some fun in the paradox of becoming. Listen in. This episode will give you some keys to processing difficult situations by harnessing the Angel parts of you that want to thrive, and working with the Traitor parts of you that are just trying to survive. 

We recorded this before the recent series of mass shootings in the US. I hope that this discussion will help you, as it has helped me, be in the deep sadness, fear and despair that’s present … and care for the reality of the world … AND … to find an Angel voice within you that can support you to act with love and determination in the face of unspeakable horror. 

Get in touch with Daniel Ellenberg at his website: